Interview and video directed by Martina Fuchs, journalist in China and the Middle East, during the workshop organised by the members of the Living Archive Research Group, on July 11, 2023 at the Montreux Jazz Festival. https://english.news.cn/20230803/5061b12396ba4b7fa769dc005706795d/c.html https://youtu.be/kv8C7nng_B0 https://fb.watch/mbbkzNRORy/